Tuesday, July 18, 2006

Collective Punishment ; a Favored Israeli Policy

Civilians are the first to be harmed in almost any armed conflict. It is almost impossible for any army, regardless of the high tech weapons and smart bombs used, to avoid civilian casualties. Civilian casualties are only 'decreased' at the best estimation.

Looking more closely on what Israel is doing in Gaza, and Lebanon now we see two patterns :
1. The Israeli military spokesmen explain that the IDF is doing ' all its efforts' to avoid targeting civilians.
2. IDF military operations themselves are not the main cause of civilian suffering, but the other policies being followed in every miliraty campaign and intervention.

Israel has been involved in military acts against Palestinians since long. The national resistance to occupation was dealt with using extensive military power, and any attempt to stand against occupation ( even the most peaceful ones ) were met with brutality and force ( 'firmly' in the Israeli vocabulary ) Still, this is not the essence of the problem. It is not the Military operations or invasions that violated the international laws. It is the whole Israeli policy towards Palestinians.


Take for example curfews. The whole citizens of a village or a city would be forced to stay home for 2 to 3 days whenever there is a 'military' or 'security' need. The whole population would be deprived from going to schools, universities, hospitals, and work only to " avoid contact with jewish residents in settlements " as is the case in Hebron for example.

Checkpoints are another example of the collective punishment policy. " Israel 's policy is based on the assumption that every single Palestinian is a security threat, thereby justifying restrictions on his or her freedom of movement. This assumption is racist, and leads to sweeping violation of the human rights of an entire population on the basis of national origin. As such. the policy flagrantly violates international law. " ( Btselem.org )



The latest example of collective punishment policy being used by the Israeli governments is the use of sonic booms. Olmert, the Israeli PM said : "Thousands of residents in southern Israel live in fear and discomfort, so I gave instructions that nobody will sleep at night in Gaza." !! Targeting the power plants, bridges, roads, and the already weak infrastructure is another example. These are not 'targets' as they are pure civilian structures.
It is very clear that the suffering of the civilian population is not merely a byproduct of Israel's attacks against militants, It is an intentional part of Israeli policy. ( Bitterlemons.org )

Whether this policy is giving results or not ( which in Gaza and Lebanon cases is giving opposite results ) it is a direct violation to all international and humanitarian laws. ( Palestine Israeli Journal.org )


Is there any evidence that the use of 'collective punishment' policy has ever brought up any results ?
Can such policies be justified even when their results are 'seen' ??
What is the benefit of International Laws then, if a ' veto' can simply end all the embarrassment of violating all human rights laws ?

49 Comments:

At 1:42 AM, July 19, 2006, Blogger DesertPeace said...

Osaid, it is often said tgat 'the truth hurts'....
As an Israeli, I can honestly say that I am in great pain as a result of what is going on in our countries.

 
At 2:14 AM, July 19, 2006, Anonymous The Raccoon said...

Osaid, this post is flame-bait. Count me out.

 
At 2:17 AM, July 19, 2006, Blogger Osaid Rasheed said...

No way Raccoon :

You are the one who was talking about the 'responsibility' , you cannot flee from your responsibility now !!

Come back here !

 
At 2:28 AM, July 19, 2006, Blogger Fares said...

Osaid,

Great post my friend. I'll put a link to it in my blog. I pray for palestinians as well and hopefully just PEACE will prevail one day.

http://freesyria.wordpress.com/2006/07/18/tragedies-on-both-sides/

Salamat

 
At 2:52 AM, July 19, 2006, Anonymous The Raccoon said...

Osaid... we have just now been over this. Remember? Pedophillia?

So you bring another "pedophillia"-class statement and expect me to refute it again? Especially when you had no reaction to the previous refutations in similar cases?

Why?

 
At 7:11 AM, July 19, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Osaid, you have the support of many Americans. Peace be with you!!

- Concerned U.S. Citizens

 
At 10:42 AM, July 19, 2006, Blogger s.pet said...

Sorry for the super long comment, but I'm pasting in an excerpt from Oona Hathaway's "Do Human Rights Treaties Make a Difference?" Her findings are actually pretty depressing (I believe she was quite disappointed), but they are interesting and relevant to any discussion of international human rights law.

Countries with worse practices may be more inclined to ratify treaties, or we may simply know more about violations committed by countries that sign human rights treaties, making countries that ratify look worse than they are. Yet given that I find not a single treaty for which ratification seems to be reliably associated with better human rights practices and several for which it appears to be associated with worse practices, it would be premature to dismiss the possibility that human rights treaties may sometimes lead to poorer human rights practices within the countries that ratify them.
[. . .]
Treaties are instrumental in that they create law that binds ratifying countries, with the goal of modifying nations' practices in particular ways. But treaties also declare or express to the international community the position of countries that have ratified. The position taken by countries in such instances can be sincere, but it need not be. When countries are rewarded for positions rather than effects-as they are when monitoring and enforcement of treaties are minimal and external pressure to conform to treaty norms is high, governments can take positions that they do not honor, and benefit from doing so.
[. . .]
This perspective helps explain why treaty ratification might sometimes be associated with worse human rights practices than otherwise expected. Countries that take the relatively costless step of treaty ratification may thereby offset pressure for costly changes in policies. Because monitoring and enforcement are usually minimal, the expression by a country of commitment to the treaty's goals need not be consistent with the country's actual course of action.

 
At 2:16 PM, July 19, 2006, Blogger Osaid Rasheed said...

S pet :
Hello and welcome again to my blog..
/Because monitoring and enforcement are usually minimal, the expression by a country of commitment to the treaty's goals need not be consistent with the country's actual course of action/
Right. But when the issue is an issue of an intentional policy, not failure to monitor or reinforce, then we are infront of a totally different issue.
Dont you think so ?

Annonymous :
It is very critical for us to differentiate between the position of the American Govt and the American people. Your govt has been acting stupidly and unfairly, against the people in Palestine. This should not be translated by us into hatred for the American people.
Thanks for your words. I do believe that the American people needs to be exposed to the REAL situation in the occupied palestinian territories OPT. Only then we can hope to see a balanced american policy in the middle east.
Good day.

Fares : Thanks for visiting , and welcome. I liked your blog and I visit it often :)

 
At 3:33 PM, July 19, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

well Osaid Great and Modest efforts

will see my frien's blog

palestinan blog

 
At 4:32 PM, July 19, 2006, Blogger s.pet said...

Osaid:

"But when the issue is an issue of an intentional policy, not failure to monitor or reinforce, then we are infront of a totally different issue. Don't you think so?"

First, let me tell you that I don't see collective punishment as a useful policy in any form or place. It's a fancy way of saying discrimination and oppression.

The Israeli policy of collective punishment is in direct violation of several international human rights laws. Yet they continue doing what they're doing. I would say the Hathaway excerpt speaks to why international law has been unable to rein in Israeli policy, through which it commits flagrant human rights abuses.

It is not as if human rights do not exist in Israeli discourse. Israel often speaks of human rights... for Jews. Hathaway's research merely suggests that by signing onto the human rights bandwagon, countries like Israel effectively improve their "human rights record" and escape international pressure to actually improve their human rights practices. (The US would be guilty of this, as well.) These results put into question the benefits of international law.

While I don't completely buy into the pessimism, it is interesting to think about.

As for distinguishing between the US government and its citizens, thank you! Please don't lump all of us in there with our quack of a president!

 
At 1:53 AM, July 20, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great post...glad to see that you condemned Hizbulah for firing rockets targeted at Israeli civilians.
Not to mention Hamas firing rockets at civilian areas of Israel.

Oh wait, you didn't mention it did you?

 
At 7:42 PM, July 20, 2006, Anonymous sarit safadi said...

I suppose once again it depends on one's point of view. Certainly no Palestinian (or Jordanian, or Egyptian, or Lebanese, etc.) I've ever spoken to or corresponded with has ever conceded that the on-going attacks on Israeli civilians since 1948 constitute 'collective punishment' of the Israeli people.

What is a suicide bomber except a person who attacks civilians trapped on public transportation?

What crime did the children of Ma'alot commit that they should be slaughtered in a school house?

What is the barrage of shelling at Sderot and Ashkelon, except the collective punishment of civilian communities?

And then there is the unceasing missile attacks launched into civilian communities of northern Israel...

There has not been ONE year since 1948 that Israeli civilians haven't been subjected to attack by fedayeen, Fatah, PFLP, PRC, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Tanzeen, Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade, or some other armed group.

And you accuse US of collective punishment? Israel has been under siege by Arab extremism since its inception, and the STATED goal has always been genocide.

And then you wonder here why there are closures, security checks, and a separation wall?

It is time for the Arab world to engage in good-faith efforts at peace-making. We don't trust you--Oslo got us more suicide bombings; withdrawal from Gaza got us killings, shellings and a soldier being kidnapped; withdrawal from Lebanon has resulted in the build-up of Hezbollah's arsenal and its use against civilian towns and farms.

You are always asking for more.

No. It is the Israeli government's job to protect me and my family from suicide bombers, Hezbollah missiles, Hamas rockets, PRC kidnappings and killings. If that means that there is a wall, a security check, lines, and closures...well, you asked for it.

Prove to us that you want peace and not our deaths.

 
At 4:21 AM, July 21, 2006, Blogger Fares said...

Osaid check out this
Rallying for Lebanon and the West double Standards

 
At 6:08 AM, July 21, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The 2 Israeli Arab Children that were bombed and killed in Nazereth it is said that the Missle came from Nazereth Elit which is the Jewish upper Nazereth. The Arabs live in Lower Nazereth at the bottom..Of the Valley. It sounds like the Yehude is trying to Ignite strife among the Israeli Arabs as well they want them out of Israel as well. They will do anything to get rid of any Arab wether they are Christian, Muslim or Druze..This is not a religious war this is an Ethnic war. Habib P.S Great site keep up the good work...

 
At 12:44 PM, July 21, 2006, Blogger Tsedek said...

How would you stop terrorattacks inside your country, Osaid?

I'm 100% against collective punishment, but how else can a country protect itself against its civilians being blown up in busses, pizeria's, or getting qassams/katushiya's on their heads?

Maybe you can enlighten me, because I am against both (collective punishment AND terror attacks) and I don't seem to be able to detach the both....

Take care :)

Tse.

(PS - I finally reacted to you on my blog, i'm sorry about the delay)

 
At 1:18 PM, July 21, 2006, Anonymous sarit safadi said...

Anonymous, I have friends (Arab) who live in Nazaret and NONE of them think the missile came from the Jewish quarter up the hill--they all know perfectly well where it came from, so quit posting garbage in your 'anonymous' effort to foment hatred. And sign your name if you have anything to say -- only cowards and liars are 'anonymous.'

 
At 4:22 PM, July 22, 2006, Blogger Osaid Rasheed said...

Hello Tsedek..

Sorry for taking time to respond.
The Palestinian groups that support targeting civilian Israelis are very weak and are not supported by all palestinians. Many Palestinians are against such acts not because of the Israeli responses but because of the immorality of such attacks.
No single religious line supports attacking civilians at any time and at any point, at war or at peace times.
Those who are running all this are very weak, YET they are exploiting the fact that they acn act freely and without any legal or public responsibility. There is no order recently : when Israel weakened the PNA it is a mess here.

The PNA was quite able to stop most of those groups. Now it is impossible to do so.

The Israeli attacks against the basic infrastructures of the Palestinian securiy forces made it harder to do any progress. ALTHOUGH all security forces were NOT engaged in ilitary actions against IDF, even when IDF invaded all West Bank cities, IDF targeted all the Muqata'as and Police centers. I dont know what they were bearing in mind then!

The answer is to strengthen the Palestinian security forces, give them more space and support to work. This might be an important part of the answer. Stopping the continuous Israeli attacks to the cities and villages is another important step.

I will think of a more balanced and comprehensive answer and post it soon .
I will let you know then
good day from Hebron.
Osaid

 
At 6:21 PM, July 22, 2006, Anonymous Habib said...

Sarit Safadi I did Sign my name it is Habib and the Missle did come from Nazereth Elit,the Yehude fired that missile anyone who has sence knows unless there Yehude. And the Yehude knows who fired that missile they did.The Yehude want to build anger among the Israeli Arab population the Yehude is trying to use the oldest trick in the book it is called deception which the Yehude are masters at...But the Israeli Arabs and the Jews know who fired that Missile and where it came from.
It came from Elit..
HABIB!!!

 
At 7:14 PM, July 22, 2006, Blogger Tsedek said...

Hi there Osaid :)
Thank you for your response.

You talk about the PNA that was able to stop terrorattacks on civilians inside Israel. My recollection of events is completely different from those days.

Since, after all, the use of violence (either by terrorgroups or by armies) seems, in my eyes, to be the main excuse and/or justification for the ongoing use of exactly that same thing (violence - mostly becoz of the support it gains), would you care to go over a chronological view of events that have lead us to where we are at the moment, starting from the point where things went sour in the peace process and Israel did not trust Arafat's keeping to law (emprisoning terrorist that committed attacks) anymore or opposite where violence came as a response to israel's use of violence?

Have a nice as possible day in Hebron, Osaid ~~~ beautiful city (I've been there B4 the intifada #1, pity I think it would be too dangerous for me to visit there right now...)

Be well & stay safe
Tse.

PS - do you have msn?

 
At 11:52 PM, July 22, 2006, Anonymous Hosam said...

Habib it is true the Missle did come from Nazra Elit. FROM THE JEWISH AREA!! The ARAB and the YEHUDI know this..And it wont be the last that comes from the Yehudi Elit area. And yes Habib you are correct the Yehude do want the Arab Christian and Muslim to get mad at there own but it didnt and will not work..Hosam P.S Habib this want be the last missle that the yehude fire into Arab Israeli areas..

 
At 4:48 AM, July 23, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think every where that the civilian suffer, while when the army target those civilians with their missiles that mean not just they haven't minimum level of humanity but also NO Religion... NO Religion

well we pray for all to have safety in their own daily life.

I think now people in Hebron pray for that also.

 
At 9:53 PM, July 23, 2006, Anonymous The Raccoon said...

Osaid -

I am coming out of my blog commenting hiatus to point something out to you:

Namely, how your baseless accusations post attracted other baseless accusations. Habib and Hosam are spouting paranoidal nonsense at your invitation, Osaid - simply because you did the same. See once again my "paedophilia" comparison which anticipates this.

You won't get peace this way, mate. You'll get endless war.

Here's to hoping reason will one day shine through Palestinian insanity.

 
At 6:14 AM, July 24, 2006, Anonymous Hanny said...

Osaid great Site. You are doing great. There is an article I would like for people to read. It is written by Emerson Moshe Mansfield an Hebrew/Arab Historian I believe it hits the nail on the head. It is enlightining and True. Though some poeple have a hard time swallowing this article but if they will open there eyes it may be of good to them.

The Hebrews of Israel

The
Hebrews
of Israel



Israel is a small country about the size of Lincoln, Giles, Limestone,
Madison and Morgan counties combined. The population is roughly Seven
Million with about Four and half Million Jews and about Two Million Arab,
the other half Million comprise of mainly Oriental workers whether they be
from China, Japan, Taiwan, Philippines, Singapore,Korea etc. The Hebrews of
Israel are from all over the globe, Europe, the Middle East, North Africa,
which is predominately Semitic, India and North and South America. By the
way speaking of the Americas the American Indian are a Hebraic,Berber,
Arabic people meaning Semitic. They came from the Middle East area. The
term Hebrew is the proper term that should be used but in some cases the term
Jew is used. But the term Jew is the religion which is short for Judaism and
that came from the term Judah one of the twelve Hebrew tribes. Today
Hebrew and Jew are usually interchangeable. But a thing to remember is that a
person who practices Judaism can be any race or ethnicity just like a
Christian or Muslim can be. But a Hebrew can't, you see the Hebrews are
from the Caucasoid or i.e.; white race just like the Arab. There ethnicity is Semitic and to break
it down further there tribe is Hebrew etc. People say well what about the
Ethiopians, well as far as being Religious Jewish converts there are some but when referring to blood ethnic Jews i.e
Hebrews there aren't that many any more. Let me make this blunt there are no such people
as black i.e Hebrews i.e ethnic blood Jews. But now when referring to the Ethiopian Jews we need to
realize and remember the original Ethiopians were Semitic meaning a
Caucasoid people. Just the past couple to few hundred years has the Nubian
influence moved in to Ethiopia and especially since the twentieth century
with the negative influence of the civil rights movement. But enough on
that tanjin, back to the real topic of discussion. Israel is a country that
God gave to the Semitic peoples and I mean the seed of Abraham meaning Arab,
Hebrew, Armenian, Kurdish,Berber,Persian etc. Now you people are probably wondering well what
about the German, Russian, and the Polish Jews i.e.; Hebrews. Well those peoples
from those countries that are Jews or i.e. Hebrew are Semitic, but there
are some converts from some countries that are just plain converts and
not Semitic. Like Ethiopia for example. You see there are people out there who are converts and that's
it, they don't have a drop of Semitic blood in them and they say that they are
Gods chosen people, and if you say anything against them they scream
anti-Semitic. Well how can you be an Semite if you don't have any Semitic
blood, all you are is an convert and that's it. People you can not become
Semitic by just simply converting to Judaism you have to be Semitic
Ethnically, meaning a blood Jew or I.e. Hebrew . You can not simply
convert and become a Semite. People need to realize that converting to a religion
does not change you racially or ethnically etc. So the Jewish converts
that have converted to Judaism that do not have any Semitic blood that think
they are Gods chosen people they are not. They are strictly converts and that's
it. They are Jew by religion only. Not blood Jews. They are imposters! About a Million of the
Jews in Israel are converts and that's it they are not blood Jews. People
say that what is going on in the Middle East is a Holy war in some ways it
is, but deep down it is a blood feud, I mean between brothers and cousins.
The Arabs that are in Israel right now and the blood Jews have the right
to that land of Israel more than some convert who doesn't have a drop of
Semitic blood running through his veins. Wake up people! Christians, Jews,
and Muslims if you're not of Abraham's seed you have no business in this
struggle. This war is an ethnic war. It's a family feud.



The Writings of Emerson Moshe Manfield Historian of Latin and Middle Eastern Studies

 
At 12:45 PM, July 24, 2006, Blogger Osaid Rasheed said...

Raccoon :
Whats wrtong with you man ? What invitation did I offer for others ?
I believe I am trying to say the truth in my blog. I am NOT leading a campaign to attack Israel, I am criticizing your government's violations of human rights and laws. As well : I am trying to address the Palestinians weakness points as well as our mistakes.

Raccoon : feel free to express your self. But do not accuse me or others of being insane and unaware of the situation.

I am aware of everything that is happening around me.I am also willing to hear the other side, but looks like we are only being viewed as either insane or liars.

I am now in Hebron and I do see things in a different way than you do. TRY to understand how are the things for the other side, not labeling them as insane.

:)
Note : you are still angry, I dont know why.

Commenting on the missiles that landed on Nazreth : The 2 commentors have NOT provided us with any truth. Their story does NOT seem logical to me. Untill you guys provide us with facts I am afraid that you are only filing 'claims' and 'accusations' only.
Do you have anything that supports your claim ?
I dont think so.
Good day all.
Thanks Tsedek : I have a yahoo and a skype ID. :)

 
At 12:48 PM, July 24, 2006, Anonymous Hatem said...

Well that sound Osiad view base on realistic and logic Racoon, since he state about the condition there, while to judge people with out living the real situation mask the facts actually.

All of us invoke for better situation in middle east, where many obstacles were found

 
At 4:05 PM, July 24, 2006, Anonymous The Raccoon said...

Osaid -

*sigh*

I accused you of nothing... it would appear that you have misunderstood me. As I said before, this whole post is shaped as a baseless accusation in the "paedophilia" style. While not insane and certainly understandable on an emotional level, it has attracted the next stage in the proccess - the insane baseless accusation. This is why I have called it an invitation. Please note that the insane accusations in the comments attracted a racist adherent of eugenics. It's a slippery slope - this is basically what I am trying to explain. I told you a number of days ago that this post is flame-bait... and I was right. *smug Raccoon* :)

And I am not angry at all, bro. I am calmer than a night in the Yehuda Desert. But I am somewhat discouraged by the inevitable mental wall which arises whenever two people with different takes on this conflict try to communicate.

And about truth - we have already concluded that neither side has a monopoly on it, and that the truths are apparently both radically different and mutually exclusive. Kind of like the Jenin "massacre" fable.

Moreover, you know the need for curfews during operations - they are in place to minimize civilian casualties. And you know the need for checkpoints and roadblocks - they are there to catch terrorists. And both work, despite the discomfort they inflict on the population. And if the population would support peace with more than 2.7% of its mass, this would not be needed at all... just consider... the political facts tell us that 97.3% of Palestinians do not support peace, and hence they support war. How do you expect Israel to act in such a situation?

Actually, this is one of two questions that I would like to ask you:
How would you want Israel to act while maintaining the security of Israeli citizens?

And another question is hypothetical. I have never got the answer to it from a staunch supporter of Palestinians:

1)What would happen were ALL the Israelis suddenly to become complete and utter pacifists, to the point of not raising a hand to defend themselves?
2)What would happen were ALL the Palestinians suddenly to become complete and utter pacifists, to the point of not raising a hand to defend themselves?

Will I get an answer this time? :)

 
At 5:20 PM, July 24, 2006, Blogger Greg said...

Osaid: I, too, am not a fan of collective punishment but what other means of fighting back do we, as Israelis, have? It's entire Palestinian communities such as the one in Hevron that harbors terrorists and lets them shoot Israeli soldiers from their houses as was the case in Dir Yassin. Yepper...sure was if you read some decent history books and not just Palestinian propaganda.

But anyhow, about the curfews, when I was in Hevron last, there was a curfew on the local Palestinians and I felt so damn secure. It was unbelievable compared to the times when there wasn't a curfew. Just letting you know...your friendly fellow Palis in Hevron shot at me and a group from Avraham Avinu as we were leaving the secured area. And you know what we did!? Nothing, because unlike your fellow Palestinian friends, we're intelligent human beings who realize taking things into our own control won't help.

 
At 5:27 PM, July 24, 2006, Blogger Greg said...

anonymous: you're spewing hate. The only difference between you and Osaid is, though, that you're just basing your opinions on your own hatred and nothing more while Osaid is an intelligent human being trying to make a case(there is none) for Palestinian terror.

 
At 7:13 PM, July 24, 2006, Anonymous The Raccoon said...

Greg - you're bashing Osaid in vain. Same baseless accusations - why do you say Osaid is trying to make a case for Palestinian terror when it's evidently untrue, and after Osaid has repeatedly spoken out against said terror?

What purpose does it serve - beside trying to insult Osaid while underminging your position? Is it just letting off steam or what?

Why does everyone seem it's in their best interest to let pointless emotion cloud their judgement? How often did an emotional response bring a solution to a conflict?

*sigh*

Pointless. Which is why this war will continue until the bitter end: total, no-holds-barred, WW3 MADness. Which Israel might survive... but the Palestinians are sure not to.

 
At 3:57 AM, July 25, 2006, Blogger Tsedek said...

~~~Raccoon:
the political facts tell us that 97.3% of Palestinians do not support peace..~~~

Where do you get this from???
I have totally different numbers...
(my eyes are saucers now)
Look:

http://www.pcpsr.org/survey/polls/2006/p19e.html

~~~The Peace Process in the Post Hamas’ Victory

* 75% want Hamas to negotiate peace with Israel
* Majority supports the implementation of the Road Map and a majority supports a mutual recognition of Israel as the state for the Jewish people under conditions of peace and the establishment of a Palestinian state in a two-state solution~~~

=============================

@Osaid, seems you don't have too much time to blog really, am I right? Maybe one time, if you do get some time on your hands, you could react to some of the things I wrote in reaction to you, mainly at my blog :)

Ma3a salaam,

Tse.

 
At 2:00 PM, July 25, 2006, Blogger Osaid Rasheed said...

Tsedek and Raccoon :
The 2.7 % was the Bargouthis percent. RAccoon kept using it as if it means the percentage of palestinians who want peace. This is absolutely wrong. I replied to you raccoon about that on sandmonkey's, if I remember.

Tsedek : I do not like to use surveys very often, coz most of the surveys regarding supporting a party or a plan are very unreliable. Still : the percentage of Palestinians who want peace is at the worst estimations more than 60%. If you want me to forward you to statistics I am glad to do so, but this is not my aim here.
Thanks Raccoon for replying to Greg. He seemed quite angry ! In Hebron the settleres are doing very horrible things and everyone knows that. Who and why did they shoot at you that time I dont know. You surely cannot blame all people of Hebron for that coz simply If we blame Isreal for every act settleres do you would be considered as criminals and terrorists.

A majority of the settlers inside Hebron are staying there only to promote terror and make it worse for all Israelis.I am not planning to go through their insanity and racism, it is not the place for it here.

And yes Tsedek : Ive been little busy the last few days as I arrived back to Hebron.

Greg :
/about the curfews, when I was in Hevron last, there was a curfew on the local Palestinians and I felt so damn secure../
This is racism itself. You feel secure while the original citizens are locked inside their homes and not allowed to live normally just to allow tourists like you to visit a bunch of criminals who are staying in Hebron for the most stupid and unlogical reasons.

I will be in Ramalla soon where I will be able to check your blog and catch up.
Good day :)

 
At 4:12 AM, July 26, 2006, Blogger Red Tulips said...

I figured you would be interested in a recent blog entry I wrote concerning collective punishment. I am curious what you all think about it!

http://cultureforall.blogspot.com/2006/07/is-collective-punishment-justified.html

 
At 7:35 AM, July 26, 2006, Anonymous Loran said...

Mr. Hanny I have read Moshe Mansfields stuff elsewhere and he is very enlightning. And it is accurate info that he has and actualy true. What I like about him he is blunt and honest and he goes strait to the point if you don't like it he has a get up and leave type attitude and that is what I like about him. He sugar coats nothing..

 
At 7:52 AM, July 26, 2006, Blogger Ebal said...

Osaid great site and interesting discussions.

 
At 5:56 AM, July 27, 2006, Anonymous Loran said...

Israel will probably take Lubenan all the way to the Turkish border. And the reason why they have to find a place to put the 75-100 million world Yehude Population..I smell the Greater Israel movement happening. Folks this is ethnic blood Jews we are talking about Meaning Hebrew..Jews from the 12 tribes.



World Jew Population of 25 countries.

25 International Jewish Populations they are in no cetain order. These are
Ethnic i.e blood Jews meaning Hebrews. Some are Christians some are religious Jews. This is only a count of 25 countries.
This pole was supposedly done privately by different organizations who meticulously counted and recounted and critiqued there counts. This is a fairley accurate count. And yes there are that many Jews in America. Our Census is a joke in this country it is not accurate at all. It is bias and controlled. Thats why Private Census counts are done here and elsewhere like this one and want to remain anonymous. So if you believe the American Census count you are blind.
1.
USA
18-22 MILL. 2.Israel 5 MILL. 500 THOU. 3. Russia 6 MILL.
4.Venuzuala 3 MILL. 5. Mexico 3 MILL. 6. Chile 2 MILL.
7.
France
3 mill.
8.
Argentina 3 MILL.
9.
Peru
1 MILL. 500 THOU.
10.
Columbia
3 MILL.
11.
Canada
600 THOU.
12.
United Kingdom
4 mill.
13.
Brazil
6 mill.
14.
Australia
500 thou.

15. Cuba 500 thou.
16. Germany 5 mill.
17. Poland 4 mill.
18. Netherlands. 1 mill.
19. Romania 1 mill 500 thou.
20. Ireland 500 thou.
21. Portugal 1 mill.
22. Greece 500 thou.
23. Italy 2 mill.
24. Spain 2 mill.
25. Ukraine 3 mill. 500 thou.

 
At 11:54 AM, July 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Loran,
What the F%%k are you talking about?

And open a map you Stupid B&%ch, Lebanon does not border with Turkey!!!

 
At 7:07 AM, July 28, 2006, Blogger Fares said...

Osaid check this out
Nasralla is getting screwed by Iran
PEACE To Lebanon

 
At 4:03 AM, July 29, 2006, Blogger Tsedek said...

Still not arrived in Ramllah ?

:)

take care,
Tse.

 
At 1:15 AM, July 30, 2006, Anonymous Loran said...

Anonymous why the filthy language. I know Lubenan doesn't border with Turkiyi you missed the point IDIOT!!!

 
At 3:18 PM, July 30, 2006, Anonymous IVAN said...

a father that survived to the israeli bomb today in QANA towards the injustice of seeing his sons dye on his arms, will be a future "terrorist"(predictable?)!!! and so, who is feeding terrorism??? ANGLOXAXONICS and ISRAEL are the true roots of terrorism!Maby its better for them to start bombing themselfs!!!=perhaps that way we´ll be free from terrorism!! You´re a shame for this World ANGLOXAXONICS and ISRAEL

 
At 5:56 PM, July 30, 2006, Anonymous Ebal said...

Folks the yehude are going to take Lebanon all the way to the Turkish border. There is nothing that Lubenan or Syria can do.
They have to put the Yehude world Population of about 100-120 million somewhere. But this is what might happen. Lubenan is going to be used to house the Gaza Palestinians the Yehude want Gaza they want it bad! They are going to remove the Arab in Gaza or kill the Arab in Gaza both more than likely. They are going to forcebly move the Gaza Arabs to Lubenan. Thow a minority of the Arabs will be made Israeli citizens. Then the Yuhude will fill Gaza like a water bucket, with a small Arab minority in that area. Then the case of Lebanon it will be filled with Gaza Arabs as well as a bigger Yehude population than what lebanon had at the time of the invasion. And of course the Gaza Arabs and the remainder Lebanese arabs that have not been killed or forced to move to Syria, Turkey,Jordan or Egypt will be granted Israeli citizenship. And Oh! by the way the 100-300 thousand Yehude population that were in Lebanon before the war where are they at now. People havent heard a word about them..It seems like they vanished..But folks this is my belief this is like a puzzle. Slowley coming together... Osaid great site. Alah Ma'ik.

 
At 7:03 PM, July 30, 2006, Blogger Osaid Rasheed said...

Loran..
Welcome to my blog.
I prefer that you ignore the anonymous comment as I , and all, did.

Ebal :
The last comment you added : I dont know how did u reach such conclusions. I would prefer that you support your 'points' with references or clues that may make them more understandable to 'others'.

Good day all

 
At 8:49 PM, July 30, 2006, Anonymous The Raccoon said...

Osaid - I told you beforehand that baseless accusations attract their ilk. So why are you surprised at Ebal and co.?

It's a fast lane on a downward spiral.

 
At 4:00 AM, August 04, 2006, Anonymous SamMan said...

Stop firing rockets. Stop kidnapping and killing. Stop digging tunnels to murder. Stop blowing yourselves up to kill innocent civilvians. Be peaceful (If the "Religion of Peace" can be)then, demand it from Israel. You will then get PEACE.

As long as the Arabs in Gaza, Samaria
the Grand Mufti, Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini

 
At 4:11 AM, August 04, 2006, Anonymous samman said...

Sorry. I mistakenly published the previous comment before I was ready...

As long as the Arabs in Gaza, Judea, and Samaria continue to follow the preachings of the Grand Mufti, Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini, you are doomed to the same fate as his protector, Adolf Hitler. The Muslim world may have been radicalized but the forces of freedom will NEVER be defeated. What EVER the cost.

 
At 12:46 PM, August 04, 2006, Blogger Osaid Rasheed said...

SamMan :

Israel should also stop land confiscations, building more settlements, going on with kicking out original inhibitants and replacing , them with settlers, home demolitions, and killing civilians.

dont you think so ?

 
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