Saturday, June 10, 2006

More violence in the Middle-East : Gaza

" ... JERUSALEM (CNN) -- An Israeli navy gunboat fired shells onto a northern Gaza beach Friday, killing at least seven people and prompting the military wing of Hamas to call off a 16-month-old cease-fire with Israel. The Israel Defense Forces said it was firing on rocket-launching areas in Gaza after a militant attack earlier in the day. The target areas were believed to be uninhabited, a representative said ... " ( www.cnn.net )

" ... An apology was initially issued to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz in which the IDF said it "regretted the strike on innocents," but Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, the IDF's chief of general staff, later said the military is investigating the possibility that it was not naval artillery that struck the beach ..... The IDF halted firing pending an investigation. ... "

Hamas has ended the cease fire that lasted 16 months by now...
It is very sad what is happening there : the situation after the Israeli withdrawal should have improved much, but it has not.

The Palestinian authority should put an end to the rocket firing that has been targeting Israeli villages near Gaza. Although it was obvious that Israel continued to target some Palestinian activists, still the Palestinian government had to end all these armed activities.

I don't know if we , as Palestinians, gain ANYTHING from such firings.

The very weakened Palestinian security forces were not able to control the situation, and this is surely related to the obstacles imposed by Israel. How can we blame the PAN for not being able to control the situation while every effort is being done to weaken its structures and capabilities ?

The situation now after ending this cease fire ( with Hamas ) can go very bad : worse than we can imagine.

Let's not just pray for a better tomorrow and start to think how we can control these events and put an end to the suffering that we see ( and probably will continue to see) .

What do you think might be the right thing to do ???

77 Comments:

At 1:34 PM, June 11, 2006, Blogger Greg said...

I think the right thing to do from the Palestinian perspective would be to hold the referendum that Abbas has been planning, vote for a peaceful resolution to the age-old conflict between our two peoples, and somehow go forwards full steam ahead instead of in spasmatic intervals.

In hope, Greg.

 
At 6:52 PM, June 11, 2006, Blogger saba said...

I cant imagine the situation when hamas ends the ceasefire. Its not going to be pretty. Hey where in the west bank do you live?

 
At 7:55 PM, June 11, 2006, Blogger Osaid Rasheed said...

Greg thanks for the comments
I live in Hebron ( Al-Khaleek ).

 
At 8:43 PM, June 11, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

Has it indeed been confirmed that it was a gunboat?

Have you read the text of this referendum?

Hello Saba, I still have that post for you but I never returned to your blog. :)

 
At 9:24 PM, June 11, 2006, Blogger Osaid Rasheed said...

Hello Steven...
Does it make a difference if it was a gunboat or an F-16 ? In the CNN it was reported that one of the IDF officials said that he was sorry for this accident. Regardless : few days later we will see
Did the Israeli Gov't start an investigation in the first place ??
I was reading about the referendum in aljazeera/english today, I will send you the link later

 
At 10:14 AM, June 12, 2006, Blogger saba said...

oh hey steven...yea u disapeared..hmm i wonder why..a post eh?

 
At 6:26 PM, June 12, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

LoL

Actually it was because I broke up with my girlfriend - kinda disrupted my life both in the real world and online.

Life goes on... but then:
"Trying to forget someone you love is like trying to remember someone you have never met."

I have to visit your blog again sometime.

Anyway, have a good summer.

 
At 6:37 PM, June 12, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

The point being that in this story the CNN is reporting statements which have not been confirmed.

Not huge - it is still terrible either way.

The big point that you fail to mention is why Israel was firing at that beach. Not that it is an excuse, but it is an important fact.

Israel should have responded faster to rocket attacks from the beach, instead they waited, until it seems there was nothing but a family there. That is a disgusting and inapt military response and ends up harming innocents - Israel has rightly apologised and is also investigating this carefully.

Saying that, we must be careful to not make quick conclusions about anything in this conflict - remember Al Durah?

I have a link about the referendum for you too, I have the wording. It is not really a big deal for Israel as it does not recognise Israel. The disagreement between Fatah and Hamas is the wording that states only Israeli civilians outside 1967 Israel can be targetted for indiscriminate murder - Hamas do not want to sign that.

Hope you are well.

Have you thought any more about a joint blog... perhaps, I feel, we have to wait a bit longer see how we feel working together, however I am still for it.

 
At 7:04 PM, June 12, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

The investigation is still continuing however the accusation that this event was Israels responsibility is not nessessarily true.

Just as in the case of Al Durah, Israel hastens to apologise for what could be a terrible mistake and world media rush to blaim categorically before an investigation is mounted.

Hold up a while. If it was Israel we know it was not intentional but tragic... if it was not Israel we will have to wait and see.

Atleast this is being investigated so quickly.

 
At 7:16 PM, June 12, 2006, Blogger Osaid Rasheed said...

.. I dont know what the investigation will present to those who are already dead, Steve.

Anyway, the whole situation is messed up and a lot of things are not clear.

Yes , I think we should think alittle before we start working on a joint blog. Let us have a month from now where we can see how working in a team ( this kind of type ) might look like. Meanwhile I will try to formulate some Ideas about how things should look like to the public : ideas.
nice day

 
At 8:26 PM, June 12, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

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At 8:33 PM, June 12, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

".. I don’t know what the investigation will present to those who are already dead, Steve."

What is that supposed to mean. Of course the investigation will not change their death but it changes a lot. For one thing, we do not know the cause of their death nor who is responsible for their death.


"Anyway, the whole situation is messed up and a lot of things are not clear."

Newspapers jump to conclusions because they make good headlines. You are right that we should not assume until we know.


"I don't know if we, as Palestinians, gain ANYTHING from such firings."

West Palestine Arabs guys do not gain anything but dead or maimed Israeli civilians. From a selfish standpoint the West Palestine Arabs must stop these terrorist attacks and impose law and order, otherwise Israel will be forced to respond to protect its citizens...

Or make a botch up and target a beach that is no longer being used as a launching point but as a family picnic site...

If it was Israel we know it was not intentional but tragic... if it was not Israel we will have to wait and see.


I would also like to comment on where you put the blame:

"The much weakened Palestinian security forces were not able to control the situation, and this is surely related to the obstacles imposed by Israel. How can we blame the PAN for not being able to control the situation while every effort is being done to weaken its structures and capabilities?”

Israel actually equipped the PA with guns with the hope of imposing law and order, only to find those guns turn on them.


"What do you think might be the right thing to do???”

I believe this is a 5 step solution:

1) Accept Israel’s right to exist.
2) Start to impose law and order which means that all terrorist attacks are illegal - perpetrators will be dealt with accordingly.
3) Ask for support in imposing law and order so that West Palestine Arabs can prevent terrorist attacks and establish a positive relationship with Israel - with the ultimate goal of establishing a peaceful independent second Palestine-Arab state next to Israel.
4) Make it clear that the increased security and law against terrorism is being done with the motivation of achieving a second Palestine-Arab and that this new peaceful PA wishes to solve the conflict and immediately start the creation of a new state.
5) Continue moving to peace, preventing terrorist attacks and establishing the new state in areas which both Israel and the West Palestine Arabs agree with first and ignore the “sticking points” for now. Resume talks about these “sticking points”.
5) Enjoy as we move towards a beautiful peace together.

What do you think?


It would be easier if West Palestine Arabs were taught for peace instead of the kind of stuff we both know about... but it is still possible.

 
At 8:45 PM, June 12, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

This is all so terrible. Such a tragedy whatever the outcome of the investigation.

 
At 8:51 PM, June 12, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

It is looking more and more likely that this is not due to Israeli action.

"A top Israeli general says the country’s armed forces didn’t cause the explosion that killed eight Palestinians on Friday and ended the fragile ceasefire in the region.

Hamas, blamed the deaths on Tel Aviv as its military branch resumed attacks on Israel for the first time in 16 months.

Israeli Maj.-Gen. Yoav Galant said the military can prove it wasn’t Israeli fire that hit the beach in Gaza, killing eight people.

Galant, who commands Israel’s southern command, said Israel stopped firing 15 minutes before the explosion."

The Palestinian Authority has refused to cooperate with Israel’s investigation, and now the Jerusalem Post reports that Hamas has destroyed the evidence at the site of the explosion: Palestinians: Hamas cleared site of Gaza explosion.

This is terrible, but it could also be another Al Durah.

 
At 9:13 PM, June 12, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

Gissin: Don't blame Israel first - Jpost

 
At 6:46 AM, June 13, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

Re: casualty counter.

True example 3 Palestinians with guns and bombs drove their car into Israel to blow up Israeli civilians in a shopping center...

Israel intercepted the terrorists.

3 dead Palestinians : 0 dead Israelis

Conclusion: Israel are the agressors?

Statistics mean *nothing* without *context*.

 
At 7:26 PM, June 13, 2006, Blogger Butrus-Kefah-Myriam said...

Masa al khir min Fransa

Tsahal just knows humiliation.I think the army makes abuses of power ,illegal and illegitime towards real Israeli worthes.I hope the initiative of the Rais Mahmud Abbas will give to him the upper hand face to Olmert.

 
At 7:50 PM, June 13, 2006, Blogger Butrus-Kefah-Myriam said...

Thank you to have visited my blog(it was very probably you, with the mentioned flag of Jordan).
I hope you have liked it.

 
At 9:12 PM, June 13, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

9 more for the counter... Israeli Agression?

"Nine Palestinians, including two schoolchildren, were killed Tuesday when Israel Air Force aircraft fired two missiles in Gaza City at the vehicle of an Islamic Jihad crew heading to fire rockets at Israel."

Funney the way it is worded. If these terrorists were not going to target Israeli civilians Israel would not be forced to act.

If these terrorists did not operate amongst their own civilians there would be no innocent loss of life.

I suppose some people believe that Israel should die, and without a fight.

 
At 9:17 PM, June 13, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

Also Greg, that referendum is not about a peaceful resolution.

Read it, not the news reports, and then make the call.

Easy Analisis

 
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At 1:15 AM, June 14, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

That is some nice spam. :)

This is all looking like another Al Durah and the explosion was due to Hamas.... interesting.

What if it turns out to be Hamas after all, Osaid?

 
At 4:27 AM, June 14, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

Here is the Honest Reporting report.

For those who do not know, HR is a pro Israel media analisis website, not neutral - however the reports very carefully made and the information is highly accurate.

*****

It is now becoming clear that, despite the claims of the Palestinians and the international media's rush to blame Israel, the deaths of seven Palestinian civilians on a beach in Gaza on 9 June were not caused by the IDF. Investigations by the IDF and others over the past few days have revealed new evidence that a Hamas mine was in fact the cause of the beach blast:

1) Shrapnel removed from two of the wounded Palestinians evacuated to Israeli hospitals was not from Israeli-made ordinance.

2) No large crater was evident on the beach as would be expected from the impact of an artillery shell landing from above. The blast site would suggest the likelihood of a mine exploding from below the sand rather than above.

3) The IDF fired six shells towards the Gaza area, one of which remained unaccounted for. All of the shells were fired, however, more than 10 minutes before the blast that killed the Palestinians....

 
At 4:42 AM, June 14, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

I hope this is a lesson for you guys about the media. It is definately one for me.

I believed it at first when the reports said this was an Israeli strike as if this were fact. Unfortunately there was no evidence for such claims, however the defence minister stupidly apologised in advance incase this was down to Israeli action.

The same happened with Al Durah.

This is further evidence of general anti-Israel bias in the worlds media.

What is your opinion of this incident now that it has come to light that the explosion was due to a Hamas mine, coupled with the fact that Hamas have released a doctored video of the event to make this seem like a deleberate attack on civilians by Israeli's(watch).

It is also interesting that they covered up the scene and stopped the non-existant ceace fire with a battle call against Israeli civilians.

This is the Middle East conflict for you... down to a T.

Any discussion points?

- What difference does it make now that we know that this was staged and due to a Hamas mine?

 
At 12:35 PM, June 14, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

I have now heared that some of the people who died from that explosion were not civilians, aka they were terrorists of some fraction.

I do not know if this is true. Do you have any info n this?

 
At 7:03 PM, June 14, 2006, Blogger Osaid Rasheed said...

I dont know how accurate are these reports ,Steve.
No international media reported any of what you said.

 
At 8:25 PM, June 14, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

"No international media reported any of what you said."

No suprise there. That same international media blamed Israel before anyone knows anything...

It is not completely clear yet though. Apparently Israel has rejected an international body from investigating which is suspicious... I do not know if that is true, however if it is - that will be a bad move. It is understandable though, as the international community are extremely bias against Israel. I will let you know more if this story turns out to be accurate.

My stance:
If Israel says they were not responsible it is highly likely that they did not; Israel could easily have left it as an apology - we would still be able to see how Hamas have used the story to promote hate. (no change there). We would stil be able to see how Hamas cleared evidence from the scene.

Facts

 
At 8:40 PM, June 14, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

My anti-Israel extention of the foreign office, the BBC, has a report here.

Summary:
Cause Unclear

Independant opinion without facts:
"A report by US-based group Human Rights Watch says the deaths were likely to have been caused by Israeli shelling."

What do Palestinians say:
"Palestinian officials have also rejected the Israeli army's report."

IDF - and they know about IDF actions more than anyone:
"The chances that artillery fire hit that area at that time are nil"
General Meir Klifi

Pretty clear.


Osaid, take a look at that video Hamas has generated. This reeks of an Al Durah Mk.2.

 
At 8:59 PM, June 14, 2006, Anonymous 7ala said...

wallah neyal israel feek ya Steven!

I cant really understand how people reach to this point of thinking!

I think when it comes to their homelands all their minds are changed, and they will never adopt their current point of view.

 
At 9:05 PM, June 14, 2006, Blogger he who is known as sefton said...

It may well be that Steven and I would disagree about whether that by-now world-wide-circulated "news" clip smacked more of Weimar impressionism than Italian neorealism.

I think we can agree it was contrived.

Okay, so the Palestinians on behalf of Islam blew off a "once-in-a-millennium" opportunity.

For a hint about how those people, now struggling to "dispose" of the Israeli problem now come across to the rest of the world, consider checking out the post at the other end of the hyperlink:

http://hewhoisknownassefton.blogspot.com/2006/06/moon-stink-whupt-gollum-butt.html

toodles
...../
.he who is known as sefton

 
At 9:58 PM, June 14, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

"wallah neyal israel feek ya Steven!

I cant really understand how people reach to this point of thinking!

I think when it comes to their homelands all their minds are changed, and they will never adopt their current point of view."

I would like to translate your first line - what language is it?

 
At 10:02 PM, June 14, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

"Okay, so the Palestinians on behalf of Islam blew off a [] opportunity."

I am glad you admit this Sefton, it is quite common. The biggest example of which is Al Durah which was just a few years ago.


"how those people, now struggling to "dispose" of the Israeli problem"

What is the "Israeli problem" exactly? In 30 words or less!

 
At 10:49 PM, June 14, 2006, Blogger Osaid Rasheed said...

... Steven.. Translation of " wallah niyyal... "
this is arabic but written in English words. Translation : Isreal must be very glad to have someone like you steven.

...
Sefton... I didnt understand your point !

 
At 10:54 PM, June 14, 2006, Blogger Osaid Rasheed said...

Steven..
From where did u hear that the ppl kiled in Gaza were not civilians ?? Havent you seen the tapes on all media or it was made by Hamas ?

 
At 11:25 PM, June 14, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

Thank you for that translation. :)

There is a video from the media which I have seen and a seperate edited one from Hamas. The television footage was horrible but one must look at it critically - there was also a tape of Al-Durah being shot and that was also given a false narrative by the media. There have been several cases of this - Al Durah is the poster boy.

Re: non-civilian casualties
I will try and find it again, it stated that a few, (not all) of the casualties were militant. We can not be sure of this claim and therefore I believe that it should be presumed false unless names are named.

If you do get any info on this though, please pass it on. :)

ps. Sefton, thank you for the compliment in that first line.

 
At 12:09 AM, June 15, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

INR Audio snippit on apologetics:
Listen/Download.

 
At 2:05 AM, June 16, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

Heya Osaid (Re your comment)

Thanks for the link - I know what you are getting at.

It is a valid point, however Fatah and Hamas are both terrorist groups and the answer lies in a new government which does not tolerate either of these groups.

The new government myst never support terrorism and must not have its own armend wing - aka. there must be an army which is not related to the political party.

ps.
Does my blog look green to you? I didn't relise that transparent PNG's turn green in MSIE... I use firefox and opera most of the time.

 
At 3:41 AM, June 16, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

"Mr Garlasco produced a four to five-inch, mainly blackened shell fragment which he collected about 100 yards from the scene of the explosion and in which the figures 55 and the letters “mm” are clearly discernible. While acknowledging that this was not itself definite proof that the shell had killed the Palestinians he said some fragments and shrapnel which the Palestinian police explosives department say they took from the scene where the victims were killed were definitely from a 155mm shell."

"Shrapnel removed from two of the wounded Palestinians evacuated to Israeli hospitals was not from Israeli-made ordinance."

 
At 4:02 AM, June 16, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

This was not an Israeli act. This has now been cleared up.

Most of the media has acted the same as normal, with disgrace.

The best comment though has to be this one:
“To find a mine on the beach is rather odd,” - UN Secretary General Kofi Annan

Right. What is far more odd is the fact that a few people still think that the UN has some credibility.

 
At 2:13 PM, June 16, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

... if you have Internet Explorer the capitals in that link prevent it from working. You should get firefox!

In the meantime:
credibility! :)

 
At 5:56 PM, June 16, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

Who Is to Blame for Grief on a Beach?
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, June 16, 2006

LINK

 
At 2:12 AM, June 17, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

steven
i second what 7ala said
"wallah neyal israel feek ya Steven"

 
At 8:25 PM, June 17, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

Thanks annon. :)

I think I will put in some more effort from now on and check my posts for typos and such...

Osaid, are you beginning to understand why Israel does not trust the international communtiy? I have yet to see a real apology from the MSM about their reporting. The BBC for example, simply stated that they should not have reported anything without the facts, and now tevelision coverate has gone quiet.

Where are all the damning reports of Hamas having explosives near civilians then? Where are all the reports of how Hamas, a terrorist government, have used the deaths on Gaza as a political tool to encourage hate through its video? Where are the reports of Hamas using this incident as an excuse to purposefully target Israeli civilians - indescriminate murder?

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Exactly.

Note: Hamas recently said they were going to stand down in responce to warnings from the IDF. Notice how that is reported too. Nice.

LoL - I just checked the BBC report on this:

"The Hamas-led Palestinian government is willing to urge militants to renew a ceasefire if Israel halts its attacks on Gaza, a spokesman has said."

LoL

I will reproduce the Haaretz report:

"Hamas stopped firing Qassam rockets at Israel yesterday, after Israel warned that it would attack Hamas leaders. In response to Hamas' restraint, the Israel Defense Forces will not attack Hamas targets as long as it does not renew terror attacks."

Amazing!

Note how those Hamas attacks are directed at Israeli civilians - where is the uproar?

Osaid, are you beginning to understand why Israel does not trust the "International Community"?

 
At 8:41 PM, June 17, 2006, Blogger Osaid Rasheed said...

Steven, Do you think that Palestinians trust it either ?

Or do you think we trust the American role in this peace process , which surely supports Isreal all way long ?

 
At 9:04 PM, June 17, 2006, Blogger Osaid Rasheed said...

"I'm convinced this was from an Israeli shell," Garlasco said Wednesday in a telephone interview. He said the main question still open is where it came from and when — was it fired by an Israeli artillery piece, as Palestinians charge, or was it buried in the sand, either on purpose by militants, as Israel alleges, or left over from an earlier attack?

Garlasco was the first independent expert to examine the scene, though Israel has doubts about his conclusions and about Human Rights Watch. He was in Gaza doing research for the human rights group when the explosion killed eight people on Friday afternoon, seven of them relatives.

Garlasco is a former intelligence specialist battle damage assessment officer for the Pentagon who has studied conflicts in Bosnia and Iraq. He rankled the Israeli government with a highly critical HRW report on destruction of houses in the Rafah refugee camp in Gaza in 2004. Israeli officials consider the human rights group biased in favor of the Palestinians.

Garlasco said he concluded the explosion was caused by a 155 mm shell of the type Israel uses. He viewed shrapnel collected from the scene by a Palestinian ordinance disposal unit, and in X-rays of Palestinians wounded in the blast.

Maj. Gen. Meir Klifi, who headed the Israeli investigation, said tests on the shrapnel removed from the body of a girl in an Israeli hospital proved it was not from a shell.

"I'm sure that all over that beach there is shrapnel," he told The Associated Press on Wednesday. "So no wonder that there is 155 mm shrapnel to be found."

 
At 9:16 PM, June 17, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

"Mr Garlasco produced a four to five-inch, mainly blackened shell fragment which he collected about 100 yards from the scene of the explosion and in which the figures 55 and the letters “mm” are clearly discernible. While acknowledging that this was not itself definite proof that the shell had killed the Palestinians he said some fragments and shrapnel which the Palestinian police explosives department say they took from the scene where the victims were killed were definitely from a 155mm shell."

"Shrapnel removed from two of the wounded Palestinians evacuated to Israeli hospitals was not from Israeli-made ordinance."

 
At 9:17 PM, June 17, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

Garlasco is not neutral - look into his history and previous articles he has written.

 
At 9:39 PM, June 17, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

As far as I am concerned the issue is settled regarding to who is to blame for these deaths.

Go back to the video released on tv... this looks staged.

The ambulance and the film crew are conveniently there to record the scene even before the girl manages to scramble up the beach and reach her dead father. There is no sign of any Israeli strike or an Israeli shell in that video - one would expect that the media would want to put this issue to rest by showing the shell if there were indeed an Israeli shell on the scene. All that video shows is a girl scrambling up the beach, reaching her father and kneeling beside him then screaming to the sky.

Now we have an "independant" anti-Israeli "expert" who says Israel is to blame after looking at a bit of an Israeli shell that Hamas has sent him.

He concludes that as this sample is Israeli, the deats on the Gaza Beach were the result of an Israeli strike.

 
At 9:50 PM, June 17, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

So much for checking my typos that time. :s

Ok... start now! :)



Osaid, I am reading that email again. Thanks for sending it.

Take care

Steven

 
At 11:13 PM, June 17, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

I think we should all remember that the largest terrorist group that is operating within the United States is Hamas.

This terrorist organisation uses charities to support murder status, supports terror and frequently plans then carries out massacres against Israeli civilians.

And to top it off, like when you put sprinkles on your icecream, don't forget what these nice independant Anti-War groups are really about either.

 
At 11:24 PM, June 17, 2006, Blogger Osaid Rasheed said...

Who really killed Huda Ghalia`s family?

By Chris McGreal
The Guardian
16.6.06
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1799558,00.html

 
At 6:08 PM, June 18, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

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At 6:12 PM, June 18, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

Third time lucky:

Heya Osaid.

I really gave that article Chris McGreal wrote some thought. I then had a quick look at some other things that this man has written. Who is this guy?

It didn’t take long to find a whole bunch of articles by Chris, and every one was against Israel. He compares the situation in the Middle East to the Holocaust. This man has a special page at "fromoccupiedpalestine.org".

CAMERA, a pro-Israel group, happens to link to a couple of his articles and we can see that he repeatedly states that Israel is an Apartheid state… for starters. This instantly turns this article into tripe – if you want to get into the "Apartheid discussion" I am more than happy too, but for now I will leave it with this short rant:

"Complete and utter rubbish to libel and attempt to de-legitimise the state of Israel. Stating Israel is an Apartheid state when there are members of the Supreme Court and Parliament who are Muslim Arabs; is insanity. Following up by ignoring the simple fact that even moderate Jordan prevents citizenship to Jews because… you guess it, they are Jews, is absurd in the least and seems to reveal an anti-Semitic (or anti-Jew to those who do not like that term) agenda." - Me

So to be Frank, or George (British people may like that joke), nothing this guy says is worth anything but a shredder… but I looked at his article anyway.

LooseScrewsMcGreal does add a few details to this event which I have not read elsewhere: namely that the girl's uncle was an apparent witness to everything. It is strange to me that Abbas adopted this girl if she still had family, and makes this decision seem even more like a melodramatic political move - but who am I to judge with that? Different cultures have different customs and it is nothing to me if a "president" adopts the kid instead of her uncle.

*****
Let’s temporarily take out this eye witness testimony from the uncle and look at the article again. What does it say?

Well, for one thing it starts with a picture of a girl on her knees on the beach crying beside her dead father who is wrapped up in a sheet. It then prepares the reader for a sob story to gain their sympathy (people are easily influenced when they see suffering):

"Heartrending pictures of 10-year-old Huda Ghalia running wildly along a Gaza beach crying "father, father, father" and then falling weeping beside his body turned the distraught girl into an instant icon of the Palestinian struggle even before she fully grasped that much of her family was dead."

Nice start. This paragraph adds nothing, so let’s take it away.

*****
Next paragraph:

"But the images of the young girl who lost her father, step-mother and five of her siblings as picnicking families fled a barrage of Israeli shells a week ago have become their own battleground."

Ok. Now look at that; Step 1: Sympathy. Step 2: Sets the scene.

LSMcGreal paints the situation with an underdog, a family having a picnic, and an evil western power (Israel) firing shells at them until they had to flee for their lives. It is great to simplify this as it helps the idiotic and lazy reader make conclusions easily and develop hate from this ignorance. Is there a single mention here about terrorist groups using these areas to launch missiles purposefully into Israeli homes… of course not.

Is this man a screen writer, or a news reporter? Lets cross-reference this paragraph to what the IDF said:

"The IDF fired six shells towards the Gaza area, one of which remained unaccounted for. All of the shells were fired, however, more than 10 minutes before the blast that killed the Palestinians."

But of course, we have witnesses to prove that LSMcGreal has an accurate slant on this story coming up, and thereby confirming that the IDF is a child murdering and lying force of evil. Hold onto your seats!

*****
"Who and what killed the Ghalia family, and badly maimed a score of other people, has been the subject of an increasingly bitter struggle for truth all week amid accusations that a military investigation clearing the army was a cover-up, that Hamas was really responsible and even that the pictures of Huda's grief were all an act."

Nobody likes a cover-up… So far this gentleman has added nothing new, just set the scene for an all out assault on Israel. This is a fantastic example of bias media reporting already, and we haven’t even got any information yet. What do you expect from the Guardian newspaper though?

*****
"However, a Guardian investigation into the sequence of events raises new and so far unanswered questions about the Israeli military probe that cleared the army of responsibility. Evidence from hospital records, doctors' testimony and witness accounts challenges the military's central assertion that it had stopped shelling by the time seven members of the Ghalia family were killed."

What hospital records, what doctors testimony, what eye witness accounts, and where did you get 7 minutes from?

So far, there is still nothing – just more baseless allogations. A reader who feels for this poor girl and already knows who the evil enemy is will not easily pick up on this, but simply feel their anger grow. What kind of people would shoot a family having a picnic for goodness sake?

Oh, and I just had an answer to that question: The Palestine Arab Terrorist groups who specifically target Israeli civilians in their homes, in the street, at restaurants, on busses… everywhere. But shhhh, we wouldn’t want to upset that terrorist sympathiser, brain-dead, Jew-hating conspiracy hollow head would we?

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"In addition, fresh evidence from the US group Human Rights Watch, which offered the first forensic questioning of the army's account, casts doubt on another key claim - that shrapnel taken from the wounded was not from the kind of artillery used to shell Gaza."

Question: When does the Human Rights Watch condemned terrorism?
Answer: Only when it is on American soil.

Are Jews not Humans to the Human Rights Watch? Probably not. Ok, so much for the "Human Rights Watch" then, but what is this "forensic questioning" they mention?

Here is a copy of some text on this same thread:

"Some fragments and shrapnel which the Palestinian police explosives department say they took from the scene where the victims were killed were definitely from a 155mm shell."

Ah. Close your eyes for the next paragraph then:

"Shrapnel removed from two of the wounded Palestinians evacuated to Israeli hospitals was not from Israeli-made ordinance."

Ok, you can look now. What do you think of this fantastic evidence?

*****
"The pictures of Huda's traumatic hunt for her father garnered instant sympathy around the world and focused unwelcome attention for Israel on its tactic of firing thousands of shells into Gaza over recent weeks, killing more than 20 civilians, to deter Palestinian rocket attacks on Israeli towns."

This paragraph is cleverly worded – again, if Palestine Arabs were not specifically trying to murder Israelis there would be no need for these strikes. Secondly, if Israel has fired thousands of shells into Gaza and 20 civilians have been killed – what does that tell you?

Option 1: Israel is such a bad shot it takes thousands of shells to commit this evil Zionist genocide against cute and fluffy West Palestine Arabs.

Option 2: Israel is shelling areas of land which are used to launch rockets at Israeli civilians, and occasionally the terrorists themselves who operate in civilian areas. 20 out of thousands of shells is still too much, but it is the consequence of war.

Will you stop your brethren from trying to blow us up please? When that happens we can stop wasting our money firing shells.

*****
Next paragraph:

"The Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, initially apologised for the killings but the military swiftly realised it was confronting another PR disaster to rival that of the killing of Mohammed al-Dura, the 12-year-old boy who died in his father's arms amid a barrage of gunfire six years ago and became the first iconic victim of the intifada."

This paragraph gives the reader a reason to why Israel may deny this attack. That reason is PR. LSMcGreal then attempts to move the uneducated reader by showing that this is a common event by describing a "12-year-old boy who died in his father’s arms amid a barrage of gunfire." LSMcGreal does not mention that the barrage of fire did not come from Israel, and lets the reader make that inevitable conclusion.

*****
This is getting tedious, is it not? I will speed it up.

Next paragraph:

"The army admitted that one of the six shells was unaccounted for but said it was ‘impossible’, based on location and timings, for the sixth shell to have done the killing."

Ha! Notice the quotes around the word impossible to encourage the reader to cast doubt over this statement. Very clever writing tool – almost everyone has used it at times. I tend to write "Palestinians" in speech marks as I question that term as a description for West Palestine Arabs. No offence intended at all, it is simply a more accurate description. If anyone wants me to go into detail about this, just AAsk.

"The investigation also concluded that shrapnel taken from some of the wounded was not from artillery used that day."

Did it now? Who made those conclusions then, where is that evidence? Notice how LooseScrewsMcGreal uses apparent evidence to make a claim but fails to put any names to anything. Just because he puts it in print does not make it true.

Case point:
"McGreal has the mental capacity of a Goldfish!" - God

Actually, that could be true.

*****
Continue…

Israel stated that the crater was too small to be an Israeli shell:

"You have the crater size, the shrapnel, the types of injuries, their location on the bodies." – Human Rights Watch

Watch the video. Where is the crater? The media was on scene and there is no shot of a large crater or an Israeli shell.

" That all points to a shell dropping from the sky, not explosives under the sand," he said. "I've been to hospital and seen the injuries. The doctors say they are primarily to the head and torso. That is consistent with a shell exploding above the ground, not a mine under it. " – Human Rights Watch

This is the first thing that has been said that is worth looking into. In paragraphs of libel, we eventually see the highly credited Human Rights Watch present a question about the injuries… who else can account for these claims? There is someone.

*****
Next paragraph:

"But hospital admissions records, testimony from doctors and ambulance men and eyewitness accounts suggest that the military has got the timing of the explosion wrong, and that it occurred while the army was still shelling the beach."

That is a huge claim! Any names? What doctors confirm this, what ambulance men, what eyewitness accounts?

So, hey – if the guy has something to say it is worth taking note, however so far he has had nothing to say – all that this "article" (notice the quote marks!) is a continuation of his well established libel theme.

*****
"Palestinian officials also question the timing of video showing people relaxing on the beach undisturbed just before 5pm…"

Now the LooseScrewesMcGreal writes another libel based on "Palestinian officials". With hindsight we all know that "Palestinian officials" are not inclined to telling the truth, however no "Palestinian official" has been named.

This entire article is extremely poor.

*****
"Several of those who survived the explosion say it came shortly after two or three other blasts consistent with a pattern of shells falling on the beach."

If you are expressing what several people "say" why not name the people who said it?

*rolls eyes*

*****

I you don’t mind, I will leave it here for now. Things to do, places to go…

I am eating at "taste of London" tonight. VIP tickets. ;)

http://www.tasteoflondon.co.uk/






I will finish with a post from Captains Quarters:
Even if it turns out to be an errant IDF shell, we need to remember that the Israelis do not target civilians for attack as a matter of policy, while their enemies do. Their enemies hide among civilians before, during, and after their attacks in order to goad the IDF into taking shots that might kill civilians. The entire theme of outrage from Hamas in this regard is nothing short of laughable. They endorsed the bombing of a falafel stand in Tel Aviv that killed three times as many Israeli civilians two months ago.

 
At 6:26 PM, June 18, 2006, Blogger Osaid Rasheed said...

hello steven..
thanks for your really long reply

check my new post at my other blog :
alahli.blogspot.com
tx

 
At 3:24 AM, June 19, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

Sure thing... will do.

Just have to pass on a link on our friend Garlasco.

Have you visited atlas shrug's blog before?

 
At 4:52 AM, June 19, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

I had to add this from SM's on the Human Rights Watch.

 
At 9:18 AM, June 19, 2006, Blogger patrick said...

"It is now becoming clear that, despite the claims of the Palestinians and the international media's rush to blame Israel, the deaths of seven Palestinian civilians on a beach in Gaza on 9 June were not caused by the IDF. Investigations by the IDF and others over the past few days have revealed new evidence that a Hamas mine was in fact the cause of the beach blast:"

Now that this is verified, can we expect Hamas to start a campaign of terrorist Jihad against ... Hamas?

This is not the first time Hamas has killed Palestinians. Why is it not condemned with outrage? Why are there not riots in the streets of Gaza that a hamas mortar set off bombs that killed innocent bystanders?

How come an Arab victim of Arab violence is so much less of a serious matter than from non-Arabs?

"Heartrending pictures of 10-year-old Huda Ghalia running wildly along a Gaza beach crying "father, father, father" and then falling weeping beside his body turned the distraught girl into an instant icon of the Palestinian struggle even before she fully grasped that much of her family was dead."

Okay, a victim of Hamas; let the MSM write that tragic story.

Oh wait, they will have to get hamas to actually admit doing that first, and their MSM enablers wont blow their cover. Will never happen.

 
At 8:46 PM, June 19, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

:) Heya Patrick,

The media has to be careful about what it reports in Palestinian areas as there is no freedom of speech there.

See:
mms://www.mideasttruth.com/CNN.wmv

The press need to be there, and if their network says something which Hamas does not like they are at risk. In Israel, people can say whatever they like and they are safe.

 
At 8:47 PM, June 19, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

For the no freedom of speech link - use the one on this post to see the map; or scroll down on the webpage.

 
At 8:49 PM, June 19, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

Key:
Dark red = Terrible problems
White = Fantastic

 
At 6:22 PM, June 20, 2006, Anonymous The Raccoon said...

Ah yes. HRW appear to be tentatively getting back to their senses.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150355528023&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

 
At 6:57 PM, June 20, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

Heya Racoon!

It looks like things have calmed down a bit over at SM's. :)

 
At 12:52 AM, June 22, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

I am sorry Osaid, I have just come accross the most disgusting website. Perhaps you will value from seeing it - maybe it will be counter productive? I do not know, however it would be nice to have a voice of reason.

http://www.blogger.com/publish-comment.do?blogID=18676566&postID=115083197128353220&r=ok&isPopup=true

 
At 12:04 AM, June 23, 2006, Blogger Greg said...

Steven: I only read one comment by you(the one directed at me) and I've realized that the referendum is not designed in any way to bolster the chances of peace. In my opinion a tiny minority of Palestinians, such as Saba and Osaid really want any kind of peace, and no Arab or Palestinian wants peace with Israel with its current borders--the only reasonable peace where Jewish lives would not be endangered.

But Steve...just one question for curiosity's sake: do you have a job? I mean it seems like you have all the time in the world for trying to convince somebody of something they're not very likely to ever believe.

 
At 12:35 AM, June 23, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

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At 12:43 AM, June 23, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

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At 12:50 AM, June 23, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

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At 1:05 AM, June 23, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

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At 1:19 AM, June 23, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

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At 7:30 PM, June 24, 2006, Blogger Osaid Rasheed said...

Hello Steven..

Thanks for all your contributions.
Lets just drop this Gaza issue and try to get to think what is next

I believe that this story is one examle, of many, where we see the effect of media on us all.

Y dont we start affecting the media ourselves? I believe we can.

I am sorry that I've been busy the last 3 days but we are learning, arent we ?

Anyway, I am still waiting your thoughts and Ideas.

Good day

 
At 8:25 PM, June 24, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

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At 8:27 PM, June 24, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

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At 8:36 PM, June 24, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

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At 8:43 PM, June 24, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

Heya Osaid. :)

Re: Deleted Posts
I just removed the posts where I answered your question, Greg. I don't think they are needed any more, but I hope that answered your question.

I feel that how this story has developed has important implications, but you are right - it is now an old story and enough has been said at the moment.

"Y dont we start affecting the media ourselves? I believe we can."

We can make a difference. :)

"I am sorry that I've been busy the last 3 days but we are learning, arent we ?"

No probs. I have been so busy too; and in the next few weeks things will get very interesting for me and I will probably be away for a while.

Anyway, I am still waiting your thoughts and Ideas."

What kind of thoughts and ideas? :)


Take care.

Steven

 
At 9:31 PM, June 29, 2006, Blogger Steven said...

Another post: "Tough"

"When Palestinians on a Gaza beach are killed by an Israeli shell (if that is what really happened, and there are reasons to doubt it), then the moral responsibility for those deaths rests squarely on the shoulders of the Palestinian terrorists who necessitate Israeli return fire. These are the same terrorists who have fired thousands of rockets and mortar shells into Israeli civilian areas, even after Israel completely withdrew from the Gaza Strip."

 
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