A UN report : Palestinian internal violence (Gaza Strip) increasing.
UN reports :
• 21 June: A bomb went off in a car driven by a member of the Fatah dominated Preventive Security Force (PSF) while travelling in Tel Al Hawwa quarter in Gaza city. Three persons in the car received shrapnel wounds.
• 21 June: Masked gunmen opened fire at two Fatah members when they were near their house in Gizan Najjar area south-east of Khan Younis . The two were taken to Nasser hospital after they sustained gunshot wounds to their legs. ...
• 23 June: A bystander was injured when members of the Hamas dominated Executive
Support Forces (ESF) attacked a house of a member of the PSF in Khan Younis .
• 24 June: A Palestinian man was severely beaten after being kidnapped by an unknown
group of armed men in Gaza City (Gaza Strip).
• 24 June: A PA Intelligence Service officer was shot in both legs after being kidnapped by a group of unknown group of armed men in Al Zahra city south of Gaza City (Gaza Strip).
. ( inter-fractional fights in Gaza 2 months ago )
• 24 June: Armed clashes continued between the ESF and PSF and one PSF member
was injured...
• 24 June: A Palestinian man was injured when unknown armed masked men opened fire
at him in Khan Younis.
• 28 June: Two members of a Palestinian family were killed (an 18 month old infant and a 26-year-old man) and four others injured when a bomb being handled prematurely went off in a house in Khan Younis . ..
• 3 July: A 16-year-old Palestinian boy was injured when an explosive device went off near his house in Khan Younis. ( Casualties related to Palestinian inter-factional fighting, family and community disputes and reckless use of weapons in the Gaza Strip are not included in the weekly figures in Section )
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Two UN reports, issued last weeks (21- June to 03-July 2006) presented amazing data regarding the inter-Palestinian violence inside Gaza alone. Every week tens of Palestinians are being shot, beaten, killed or even kidnapped, the UN reported.
The wide spread of weapons and the absence of the Palestinian security forces are all contributing factors. Most often, the guns that are used in these violence attacks are the 'resistance weapons'. It is obvious that we are moving very quickly into a situation where we have armed groups with different affiliations ( and external funding), fighting each other for authority and power. It is not far that we see these groups fighting for money and personal interests. What has happened in Iraq, Lebanon and almost any civil war might soon be seen here.
I believe that this report, together with other reports and findings of other human rights organizations is of utmost importance and priority. Although the Israeli operation in Gaza is taking all the attention, the consequences of what we are moving towards (as seen clearly from this report) will outweigh any tragic consequences Israel has ever brought about.
Who is to be blamed for this deterioration?
Should we always turn into blaming Israel for every mistake we do?
What can president Abbas do to stop us moving into a civil war?
posted by Osaid Rasheed @ 1:28 AM
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36 Comments:
Hmmmm. I did an analysis of the situation in Gaza and the foreign policy of Israel as relating to it for my uni about two years ago. My conclusions were that the withdrawal of Israel from Gaza would inevitably bring about a civil war. Moreover, I have speculated that this was Ariel Sharon's plan - he was hoping to defang the radical Hamas through more moderate Fatah. By weakening Hamas infastructure in Gaza on one hand and feeding centralized Fatah on the other hand, he was preparing a situation in which the relationship between Fatah and Hamas would deteriorate. And the power vacuum created by the withdrawal would naturally attract Fatah into traditional Hamas territory... and Hamas rhetoric against Fatah was stably growing more radical and violent since the moment they realized they might have Gaza all to themselves.
Of course, Sharon was hoping that Hamas would be vanquished by Fatah, and that the latter would devote their energy to settling their internal affairs and removing dissenters rather than attacking Israel. Fatah, however, did not miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity, and left Gaza to rot.
Oh... and civil war is unstoppable, especially not by Abbas. His best bet would be stepping up attacks on Israel to force the latter to enter PA territory en masse; But this must be done visibly, and this would risk both his skin and his Swiss bank accounts. So he probably wouldn't do it. The immesurable cost in lives is probably not something that has even crossed his mind. Or maybe it did - the more Palestinians die, the more money PA gets.
Wow, I am really optimistic and philantropic tonight, ain't I?
Raccoon :
What an interesting comment ! Really interesting !! You keep astonishing me man ! I will reply to you soon ! ( No religions againg plz )
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Golani commander: IDF soldier likely killed by friendly fire -
screwups on both sides!
Abbas is not a moderate - but he's not a fanatic, either. Which makes his hugely preferrable to Hamas. Moreover, his chief interest seems to be acquisition of power and wealth. Ergo: he is rational and can be negotiated with.
Abu Mazen may say what he has to say because sometimes you gotta go with the flow in order to gain confidence. But!! he is the ONLY leader in the middle east that i've seen tears flooding his eyes when he was asked once (when he was still Arafat's minister) about the situation with the Palestinian youth.
A man that has feelings. I trust those people because only people with feelings will do what's best for those hurt and can open up to the feelings of others.
Tse.
Anon 2:59 pm:
I would argue that in some ways Hamas is preferable. With Abu Mazen, you get a leader who lies and pretends to be a moderate, when in fact he is as radical as Hamas when it comes down to it. With Hamas, at least you know what you are getting, and there are no illusions.
The anon was me. Sorry.
Miss R -
There is a major difference between someone driven by ideology and someone driven by greed. With greed you can negotiate. With ideology you can only fight.
Abbas will say whatever he thinks will be of greater benefit to him. If the Palestinian street will suddenly switch to Osaid's side and demand real peace, this is what Abbas will go with.
Hence, Abbas is preferrable to Hamas. There are no illusions with him either - he's an opportunist.
Racoon,
That stuff will not lead to a civil war in Israel. It's not worth it, and we are smarter than that (usually). It does however raise the question of who we let in to our parliment, after Cutter made such a big fuss about it. I wonder if he/she would mind if a member of his parliment said it was ok to kill Italians and kidnap them. or would he/she be screaming up and down like the little kid he/she is.
I don't agree that he should be stripped of citizenship - just from MK status - After a trial (assuming he is found guilty of course). This is not a person who should be representing Israel, as I also doubt that he represents the Arab voice in Israel.
DP - I asked you a question on Chamsa site - you never asnswered!
Osaid,
Interesting Stats you bring here. It's sad that when it comes down to it you need Israel to Invade you in order for Hamas and Fatah to stop killing each other.
Untill you guys decide who is in control or that place you will never be Independant. BTW - Max Weber states that a state is only one when it has "monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force" - this is Far from being the case in the PA today - nor was it ever - and we have Arafat to thank for that. What this means is that even if there were no more "occupation" the PA would not be able to declare a state till it cleans up it's internal Mess.
Oleh... one has to eat. I have no intention of starving over the boycott... think before you ask such questions.
As for demonstrating against the wall on HaGanah St.... believe me... I do my share of protesting.
DP -
do you also have to surf the Net?? you are after all supporting Israel everytime you do that.
and you didn't answer me what you are doing, living in an area you would define as "occupied".
OK... why French Hill? Yes it is on the 'other side of the Green Line'...
I moved here twenty two years ago because it was one of the most mixed neighbourhoods in Jeruslem. It votes 'progressive'... always has.
My building has 9 Palestinians living in it... have been for years. There has NEVER been a problem of any kind because of that.
The shopping area is mixed as well, with shoppers and nank clients from neibouring Palestinian villages.
When my grandchildren visit the play outside with everyone... regardless of them being Israeli or Palestinian.
They will be the 3rd generation in my family to grow up without hatred for anyone.
I would not live in any other community in Jerusalem... Green Line or not.
DP,
ok I agree with you 100%, although I have only lived here for 2 years, It feels very similer to Karmiel (where I grew up) where Life is very much the same in terms of Jews and Arabs, in one area.
Let me ask it this way - would you move out of here when the Palestinians come and say they want every last inch of the green line?? Do you consider it part of Israel?? I still don't get how you can boycott the Area you live in unless you work against yourself and your friends. After all every thing you do helps Israel - and I think that you do not want to see Israel Destroyed - so I will ask again how can you of all people support a Boycott (I would love to one day sit over a cup of coffee and pick your brain - after all we might actually live a building away :> )
Yes, I consider it a part of Israel. No, I do not want to see Israel destroyed. No, I do not think it will ever come to residents of French Hill having to 'chose sides', there is a history here that speaks for itself.
My boycott of Israel has nothing to do with where I live, it is mainly a boycott of Israeli goods in C'hul... no one expects us to starve.
Game just ended... I'm going to bed... Leila Tov!
If the people that Osaid works with have their way...
KNOW
THINE
ENEMY,
R
Steven - 2:15 PM HAHAHAHAHAAAA
I'm in stitches LOL
But: no way - Jose! This got nothing to do with Abu Mazen and what I think of him ;-) Even not in a parody.
Tse.
Are you absolutely sure that's parody, Steven?
I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't.
steven,
let me point out that resolution 242 says first that there should be peace, then talk about withdrawing form Lands (not all of them).
First of all we are still not in peace with the Palestininas.
2. the 73 war was a HUGE vilation of this resolution - not to mention the Khartoom conference and the Famous 3 NOs from our dear Arab countries.
3. No where does it say that the Land is Palstinian.
4. No where does it say the Israel has to withdraw from ALL the land.
One can claim that Since Israel already has peace with Egypt and Jordan, and has withdrawn from lands in both Sinai, Gaza, Judea and Sumeria that it has fulfilled it's part of 242.
What we are seeing now is a post 242 era - since we have already withdrawn from the land.
As for Gaza today - there is a problem - since Israel Withdrew no one has taken any responsibility for the area - since only a country can be in control of land. And since the Palestinians have made it very clear that they refuse to see Gaza as a country, it's Int. Law Status makes it a "no Man's Land" therefore - in theory any country can claim it as it's own, and going into it does not violate any law since it belongs to no one.
If Israel wanted to it could declare it as such and if no one disputes it as their own (once again only a country can do so) Israel should get full rights to it.
I would like you comment to that Osaid.
At 5:03 PM, July 10, 2006, Steven said...
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Steven, I know - although I never went deep into it. I also know people can change and learn to compromise because there is no other choice. I saw real hurt in his eyes. I stick with my gutfeeling this time.
Tse.
steven,
I didn't mean for that entire comment to be addressed to you. But thats ok I don't mind.
As for your last comment about palestinians not having a country - I will say 2 things.
1. not every nation need a country. If we were to grant every Nation a country we would have over 1000 countries in the world.
2. (This is not PC!!) One can argue that the "Palestinians" are part of a region - an area called palestine - Just like the person in New-York is called a New-Yorker - this does not give the people on NY the right to a country! - I am not saying I agree with this statement just food for thought!
I think that enough for now I still want to hear what Osaid has to say about the previous comment.
Hello Oleh..
Sorry for being late, I was away.
First of all, I am little 'impresses' that the term 'disputed teritory' was ysed by steven. This is a huge change !!
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/..let me point out that resolution 242 says first that there should be peace, then talk about withdrawing form Lands (not all of them)/
Go and read the resolution again. !!!
When a country goes and captures another land ( note how steven said that :In 1967 Israel faced a genocidal attack and captured the "disputed territories"..What a contradiction steven, was it also disputed BEFORE your occupation !!! ), it has to get OUT of it before starting to talk about anything. If Saddam Hussein was given the chance to ask for what he wants before he was forced to get out of Kuwait, he would have not stopped asking for this and that until this moment. Israel's act is exactly the same as Saddam's invasion to kuwait. With the same UN resolutions, too! A democratic state would not do such acts, I am sure. I am sure there are differences between the 2 cases, but the principle is the same : occupation.
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/First of all we are still not in peace with the Palestininas./
How can you be in peace with us while you are occupying us ?? Dont kid yourself for God's sake !!!
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/2. the 73 war was a HUGE vilation of this resolution - not to mention the Khartoom conference and the Famous 3 NOs from our dear Arab countries.../
Ah, now you are talking about resolutions and using them for your case !!! I thought you once said the UN is biased and it does not mean anythging to you !!
This logic you are using now is the same logic Steven uses when asking me : look at what happening in Iraq and Saudi and Egypt and Syria, they are all nondemocratic and all ...bla bla ( of the true type of bla bla ! ).. He forgets the horrible mistakes his OWN government is making !! Fix your house before criticizing other people's houses.
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/No where does it say that the Land is Palstinian.../
But it does CLEARLY says it is an occupied land. It was never urs.
The fact you 'captured it' in war ( defensive or offensive ) does not give you any legitimacy. You are violating the international law and the UN resolutions, very simple.
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/One can claim that Since Israel already has peace with Egypt and Jordan, and has withdrawn from lands in both Sinai, Gaza, Judea and Sumeria that it has fulfilled it's part of 242.../
Go and tell that to a 4 years old kid, he MIGHT believe you. Israel has to withdraw to 67 borders. Very clear.
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/ Law Status makes it a "no Man's Land" therefore - in theory any country can claim it as it's own, and going into it does not violate any law since it belongs to no one.../
I see that you are becoming an expert in international law !!! heheheh.. why dont you just stick to your part and END OCCUPATION NOW ??
Oleh :
We are here not to end the middle easts conflict. The arguments and discussions we make here help us understand what the other side has in mind.
Let me make it clear for you as for what I think : Jews surely have religious rights. In hebron for example there was a jewish minority that lived for thousands of years together with muslims. We never heard of any massacres before 1900's, this is because there were no zionists trying to change the history and the geography of the land. Only when the zionist movement appeared and started getting jews from all over the world to Palestine , did the arabs start to view themselves as being directly threatened, especially when they were exposed to the zionist ideas and beliefs which stated that the land is for the jews and arabs have to kicked out. Early writings of the zionist leaders were like Hamas's now !!
You and your government have to acknowledge our rights as humans to live and practice our life normally. The occupation and military operations all over the west bank and gaza has made it impossible for us to live normally. People found out that they have to have their freedom, let us all make it in the peaceful way.
The Israeli occupation of the west bank and Gaza is a crime itself. Stop killing more and more people, stop your daily violations and lets just start thinking about a better tomorrow where no one wants to kill anyone.
I hope that you dont take my words in any of my posts negatively. I am FREELY expressing my thoughts, and the thoughts of hundreds of tens of thousands of palestinians who share me such views.
good day
"I see that you are becoming an expert in international law !!!"
I never said that - but I also didn't see you argue with the fact - go ahead look it up! Land that is not owned by ANY country is a no mans Land. check it out. see for yourself.
"Israel's act is exactly the same as Saddam's invasion to kuwait. With the same UN resolutions, too! "
Wrong! The operation against Iraq was Under Chapter 7 of the Un. Charter - after Iraq was declared an Aggressive country!! This is NOT the Case with Israel that Used self defence. Once again don't believe me - look it up - The resolution against Iraq included the "Use of force" of other countries, It does not say that
(I might not be an expert in Int. LAw - but I am learning about it)
"The fact you 'captured it' in war ( defensive or offensive ) does not give you any legitimacy. You are violating the international law and the UN resolutions, very simple."
No, Not so simple - since in it is not clear that getting land in defensive war is not legitimate! therefore not a violation of Int. Law.
As for the U.N. Resolutions - we already went over it - but you seem to have your opinion (4 Y/o child ETC)
In your last part what you are saying is that As long as the Jews here stayed a minority - it would have all been ok. Meaning you are Anti-immigration. You hate the Idea of people immigrating into other countries!
Or is it ok, as long as they stay the 2nd class citizens they were??
And what you are saying is that the trouble started with zionism and that is why it was ok to Massacre a population that was living in Hebron for 1000 years! I get it now!
How many Jews would have been ok in This place to keep you happy?? or is it any Jew that immigrated is Bad!
I also find it funny how you always seem to try to ignore the 1990s... as if the Oslo agreement never happened. As if Israel wasn't talking to Arafat (while attacks were going on in ISRAEL) and not puling back - and giving you Independence - How many israeli soldiers were in Rammallah in 1995?? How many road Blocks were there?? How big was the "wall" back then??
Until you admit that the 2nd Intifadah is the Biggest mistake your people have ever made - and call a total End to it there Won't be peace - because Israel is not going to give you Anything when all it gets in return is more death!
Just went through the comments on both the blogs...
Conclusion: more respect is urgently needed.
Elaboration: what we believe to be the the truth depends on what we were taught. And in this particular case, the differences between perceived truths are tremendous. There is, of course, only one "real" truth - but as long as we have two conflicting versions thereof, we have a problem. Moreover, Osaid did explain some of his conflicting statements. It would appear that at least some of them are the result of faulty communication exacerbated by emotional style.
Conclusion: once again, I urge everyone to avoid emotion while pondering and discussing these issues. Pretty please, with tahini on top? :)
An interesting point raised by AbbaGav:
http://abbagav.blogspot.com/2006/07/palestinian-goals-rational-questions.html
Hello Raccoon :
Thanks for your valuable replies and input.
The formal position of our 'terrorist' and 'insane' palestinian government ( talking about pre-hamas period ) was not supporting any terrorism. When the IDF invaded the west bank again the palestinian police and security forces was NEVER engaged in any military acts against IDF. This , I believe, was a very wise act.This also means that violence and using force IS NOT A POLICY that we use.
Oleh and Steven :
Stop calling palestinians and their leadership terrorists. You have been attacking Abbas and the PNA , ( to some extent I believe you made good points, though ) but at the same time ignoring the brutality and arrogance your government has been using as a policy with Palestinians.
As raccoon said, it looks like that the differences in views are related to different education. I would concentrate in the near future on more basic things like : what does the international law says and is it occupation or not. There are so many jews and Israelis who wrote about that, most of which are highly educated. I will have to go back to what they wrote and collect it.
There are huge differences between what we believe and what you believe. It is very wrong to attack us and say that we are the liars and terrorists. I acknowlwdge the fact that I am not very well prepared to go on with history arguments since I do not have an extensive background about it, but it does not take from me alot of effort to see that the 'occupation' and policies of your government are depriving us from our simplest rights.
The Israeli governments have never been much better than the Arab ones, believe me.
Oleh : thank you for your replies. Still, the points you are making are not strong enough for me. I will have to check for an experts opinion on this matter ( int law and UN stuff ). Fine ?
Regardless of all previous discussions : Israel is CURRENTLY engaged in acts that are directly depriving Palestinians from their rights. If your government keeps acting this way , and refuses to acknowledge our rights , and keeps taking wtever it can, this would not leave much hope for peace in the future. We are making stupid choices, I know, like these Kassams and other minor things... but your government is systematically depriving palestinians from their rights. I dont know for how long you will be able to keep doing what you are doing,, but believe me : time is NOT at your side. The 90's and the Oslo agreements were great chances to achieve peace. Your government PROMISED to stop building more settlements but it did NOT fulfil its promises and continued building settlements. Even Olbright that time ( your strong supporter and friend )criticized you for doing so. YOU have made it impossible to go on with those plans. The Pals on the other side had their mistakes, but our mistakes were nothing compared to your policies.
You will not be able to change the facts ,Oleh, nor will you be able to convince anyone of what you are saying. You want to talk about the 90's while you still do not agree that the west bank is occupied land. I think we have to keep talking about this occupation issue before we move to other points.
Good day all. And thanks a lot for your comments and time.
Osaid,
first - you didn't answer my remark about immigration.
2. Are you telling me that you started the 2nd intifadah that left over 5000 people dead (on both sides) - over us building houses?? Wow had I known houses could be so deadly. I was thinking this whole time that Blowing up Buses is a bad thing - Thank you for "enlightening" me. I will think twice before I build my house - who knows thousands of people could die.
On a serious note - What you are actually saying is that Oslo failed because Israel continued to build in the West Bank. How does this make any sense?? considering Barak offered you land including the removal of Settlements - lots of them - and instead he went and started a war with us. and even when Barak Came back with an Even better offer - it was still turned down.
I really hope you dont really believe that, this whole situation came around because some Israelis built some houses.
Once again I will remind you (since you seem not to mention it) -
- -How many Israeli soldiers sat in the "Area A" zones?
How many road blocks were there?? Where were they??
How many Palestinians worked in Israel EVERY DAY - commuting back and forth - and making a decent living??
- how big was the Wall in 1995??
You seem to want to forget that period since it reminds you that Israel actually was trying to resolve the conflict and what it got in return was more death and more terrorism
oh and finally I will NEVER stop calling HAMAS Terrorists!! When they state over and over again that they WANT to Kill People, and that the more Jews one kills the better - I don't care what YOU call it - I call it terrorism. And please don't try to BS me and say that Israel is doing the Same - We work Over time to try and make sure that the minimum amount of people are injured when operating, and you will agree with me that if we wanted to we could have killed a lot more than we did in the past week. But we unlike you Govt. do not take pride and do not party when people die. We do not have people giving out candy when your people die.
And if you can justify Targeting civilians (like you Govt. does on a daily basis) then we really have nothing more to talk about
Good evening!
Oleh
Lets not talk about imogration now.
It was the state of Israels policy to go on building settlements, not some homes built by someone here and there. The USA asked your government to stop but it never listened to anyone.
This was not the only reason for Oslo's failure.
Anyway..
to remind you : Israel did more than once violate its agreements with the world and the pals by infiltrating into area A zones many many times. MAny excuses were used most of which were to 'fight terror'. you cannot ignore that too.
good night now..
Hey...
dont forget to check this link : just to remind you of your mistakes :
http://desertpeace.blogspot.com/2006/07/racism-is-alive-and-well-in-jerusalem.html
Is there any timeline on this? Like:
This happened date
That happened date
Then this happened date...
so we can actually practically follow events (such as incursions into various Palestinian areas or suicide attacks chronologically mentioned)?
To me it makes a hell of a lot difference what came in reaction of what and who did it....
I always thought the events preceding the March suicidebombings which eventually led to the Jenin siege brought about the complete destruction of the Oslo-agreements.
Tse.
Uhm. For the time being, I would like to address only one point (which Steven touched upon) - namely, the Israeli violations of Palestinian rights.
Of course Israel is violating the rights of the Palestinians. We are at a de-facto state of war. In wars, people get hurt... and war is by DEFNITION a violation of assorted rights.
Do not forget that rights are earned, not given. And even universally accepted rights (universally accepted by the West, that is - see http://www.alhewar.com/ISLAMDECL.html ) can be taken away with due reason (like if you're a murderer, for instance).
I am rambling a bit, so I'll try to pull my points together:
Israel is left with no choice but to violate the rights of the Palestinians, since the latter are attacking the former. And when not attacking, abetting the attackers. And when not actively abetting, passively supporting. This is unacceptable. In such a case, violation of rights is justified, and is normally called "responsibility".
Moreover, Israel is doing its best - and as I said before, this is a superhuman effort hithero unseen in human history - to perserve the rights of its openly declared enemies.
Oleh Yashan - please note that Osaid Rasheed is NOT the Palestinian people. He's a person who happens to be a Palestinian. He is not an officially empowered spokesman for the aforementioned people. Nor is he their ruler.
Ergo, addressing him as if he is PA, the Palestinian people or someone who singlehandedly decided the actions of various Palestinians is counterproductive. Please stop.
For further clarification compare Osaid's picture with a satellite photo of PA and note the differences ;)
Thank you. And shanti shanti...
Oh... and a little conclusion to my ramble about the rights of enemies at wartime, especially as it applies to Palestinians...
"We may forgive the Arabs for killing our children, but we will never forgive them for making us kill their children" - Golda Meir.
She might have been an unsuccessful Prime Minister in many ways... but she sure had a marvellous way with words.
Osaid -
I would like to engage you with a little question... why do you think "Israel did more than once violate its agreements with the world and the pals by infiltrating into area A zones many many times"?
You say that fighting terror is an excuse... what is the real reason, then? And please remember that the Israeli people do not take kindly to the death of their children - those that you know as soldiers. Why would Israeli government risk public outrage and political disaster by operating in A zones?
I would really like to know what you think.
Thank you.
About Israel being as bad as the assorted Arab/Islamic states... this is utter and complete nonsense. Just check the facts, mate. Israel is better in virtually every respect by such a huge margin that no comparison is possible. It's like comparing North Korea to Japan.
There is a little mind game I like to present whenever such discussions get too technical...
Q1: What would happen were all Israelis to become utter and complete pacifists?
Q2: What would happen were all Palestinians to become utter and complete pacifists?
A1: 5 million dead Jews within a week or so, with the remainder enslaved.
A2: Peace and prosperity.
Simple.
racoon,
When I said "you" to Osaid I was reffering to the Collective you not him personally -
Just to be Clear I have nothing against Osaid - I think he is a very nice person, and I am glad to be able to have a civil conversation - despite our worlds of differences in opinion.
There are not many people out there who can have a civil conversation (when I say people I am talking about any of the 5 billion in the world today).
So I will continue to use "you" sometimes when talking to osaid about the palestinians - and to be clear I mean Colective!
About the open act of war on Israel by Syria and Iran through their proxy Hizbollah -
"Cry 'Havoc'
And let slip the dogs of war!"
It's long past time to match the technological capabalities of Iran and Syria to the epoch their mindset is stuck in; namely, the 7th century AD.
Yes Steven..
What is happening now, which is very sad and unfortunate, should mean something to you and to us all. Israel should work to seek peace with all its neighbours : the fact that even a small organization like Hizbollah could inflict all that challenge and horror to a great military power like israel means that Israel should not keep acting with the usual arrogance. It is very sad
Civilians are being killed, this is not a good event for anyone.
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